tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11059473.post3734408651329192992..comments2023-10-16T05:19:49.903-05:00Comments on Youth Ministry Hilarity!: Open Letter to Omaha Public SchoolsFranklin Woodhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14243783988114081394noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11059473.post-58949008685202694062009-11-14T07:04:25.392-06:002009-11-14T07:04:25.392-06:00Who knows where to download XRumer 5.0 Palladium? ...Who knows where to download XRumer 5.0 Palladium? <br />Help, please. All recommend this program to effectively advertise on the Internet, this is the best program!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11059473.post-37594612952035348372008-06-14T19:12:00.000-05:002008-06-14T19:12:00.000-05:00I agree with Karen that this letter needs to be se...I agree with Karen that this letter needs to be sent somewhere. Our family has always attended church and our kids have never even thought of questioning their attendance. They also always choose Youth Group activities over other activities and schedule their work times around church and YG activities. Thanks for all you do Franklin!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11059473.post-77888661530069869272008-06-02T16:01:00.000-05:002008-06-02T16:01:00.000-05:00Just a Girl,Thanks for your thoughtful comments. H...Just a Girl,<BR/>Thanks for your thoughtful comments. Hope seminary is treating you well!<BR/>I have NOT read "Hurt" by Clark yet, though it has been recommended to me.<BR/>Playing the blame game is indeed dangerous, but then who is responsible for the lives of these kids? Just as I must take responsibility for not adding to my students' "activities plate," shouldn't others be held responsible for that, too?<BR/>It seems that church, school, extracurriculars, work are out of balance, and that is what this letter was all about. I agree that there ARE churches that overwork their students, but I can barely get them to attend on Sunday mornings, much less anything else! <BR/>I definitely agree with you that we cannot FORCE kids to come. I don't really want them to come if their heart is not in it.<BR/>But then again...what if somewhere along the way of being "dragged" to church, they make the connection? Please don't misunderstand, I'm not necessarily talking about forcing...but suggesting something more strongly than we usually do.<BR/>You mentioned that parents should model boundaries. Shouldn't they also model a commitment to faith community? It just seems like more parents are letting their kids make the call on how they spend their time rather than helping them.<BR/>I don't want to force the kids to choose between a school activity and a church-related one, although I believe SOME church-related activities will be more of a blessing to their faith than other activities. <BR/>For example, I don't care so much if a kid misses the annual Six Flags trip, but I DO think they will be blessed and learn at church camp or mission trips.<BR/>Again, thanks for your comments. Hope I'm not coming across as mean or forceful, it's just I'm passionate about these kids!Franklin Woodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14243783988114081394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11059473.post-28356868335601292222008-06-01T17:37:00.000-05:002008-06-01T17:37:00.000-05:00kinda fell upon your site today, and wanted to ask...kinda fell upon your site today, and wanted to ask ya a few questions in regard to this conversation. first, have you read <I>Hurt</I> by Chap Clark? One thought.<BR/><BR/>Second, I hear what you're saying - i work in YM, I'm in school for a masters (and more) in this field, and right now tutor high school students to put myself through seminary. I have to wonder though - is the problem just the schools, just the parents, or just the church's? the blame game that we foster here is dangerous. schools foster overwork, but so do churches and parents. The problem in my mind is the expectations we have on kids from a number of adults. Everyone tells them something different: focus on grades, future (i.e. college), mission trips, etc.<BR/><BR/>I don't want to force my students to come to church just because they must because its good for their discipleship. I want to uphold in their eyes the value of coming - which some (certainly not all) extracurriculars do. Does that make sense? A student knows that going to baseball practice might get them a scholarship (again, as mentioned, not everyone does) or team-building lessons. Do they want to come to church because their youth pastor wants them to come, or because they want to grow deeper in their relationship with God in community?<BR/><BR/>Until the church is willing and able to recognize that going is volitional - that that student can get in the car or not, and its our invitation to be a part of community that fosters growth and discipleship, we're not going to have any more success getting them church than if their schedules were lighter. <BR/><BR/>The schools are too busy - but like someone mentioned, parents have got to model boundaries, commitment, as well as church. I have chosen to not force a kid to choose between camp and a mission trip - it's theirs to choose. <BR/><BR/>Whoa, I just rambled a bit there - but two cents from someone random! Feel free to rip my argument to threads, and thanks for your heart for students! Awesome, awesome, awesome.yuphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17307871785038848507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11059473.post-38523503560935037182008-05-15T07:27:00.000-05:002008-05-15T07:27:00.000-05:00Let me add my Amen. My children are grown now but ...Let me add my Amen. My children are grown now but during their time in high school, Wednesday night was still sacred. <BR/><BR/>I'm notorious for writing letters to government officials, may just have to add this topic to my list. <BR/><BR/>Thanks! By the way, I put your link on my site also...amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16296964629175815895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11059473.post-38557194011684846772008-05-13T12:18:00.000-05:002008-05-13T12:18:00.000-05:00Oh my goodness! I couldn't agree more! So glad s...Oh my goodness! I couldn't agree more! So glad someone has written it down. <BR/><BR/>I see parents allowing their kids to participate in so many things and the kids never stop to think "I'll miss church!". I don't allow my kids to participate in anything that is on a Sunday morning or Wednesday night. They ask why and I tell them "We go to church...and that's what we do!"<BR/>No questions asked. <BR/><BR/>We have many teachers here in the public school where my kids go that do not give homework on Wednesday nights because they know we live in the Bible belt and it's not going to get done, or they only do it half way. <BR/><BR/>I belive in extracurricular activities, but not at the expense of giving up church time. We look for things that will not conflict with that time. <BR/>I have 3 kids and each of them is allowed to participate in 1 event per season. There is no need for them to be running all over the place doing a 3-4 activities at one time. They are kids! As adults, we do that to ourselves enough, why on earth would we pass that chaos onto our kids? It just doesn't make sense. Even God rested! <BR/>I think this is a perfect letter for you to send in. Will it fall on deaf ears...or eyes?? Who knows, but if you don't, then you can't say you ever voiced your opinion and stood up youth of today with this school system. <BR/><BR/>As a mother, I would be proud of a youth minister who would stand firm on these beliefs, stand up for our children, and stand up for God! <BR/>Absolutely perfect letter!Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17422379315257722278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11059473.post-70953396567990033872008-05-12T05:27:00.000-05:002008-05-12T05:27:00.000-05:00Hey, thanks for addressing my comments :) I comple...Hey, thanks for addressing my comments :) <BR/><BR/>I completely agree with you that youth group activities are more important in the long run - and I would add in the short run, too! I myself was very active in my youth group and only moderately active with school activities. In fact, I continued to do so my freshman year in college, as we still had no youth group leader and I felt its importance in young lives. <BR/><BR/>I agree it seems a lot of time spent on what will be hobbies for most. However, often kids don't know yet what will be a hobby and what will their career of choice and extracurriculars give them both experience to figure that out AND teach them about responsibility and commitment, sportsmanship, follow-through and accountability, regardless of whether they pursue said activity beyond school. Many a ministry leader today has learned leadership qualities from clubs/sports and it helps one to relate to and reach nonbelievers. <BR/><BR/>By the way, I never felt attacked by your thoughtful, honest letter - not in the slightest. I merely intended to offer another perspective on the matter. I don't feel you're off-base either. The biggest decision and commitment any of us has is to follow Christ, and we cannot do it alone - especially not at the season, as Jim put it, of adolescence. Thanks for fighting for our kids' souls!Theresa Michellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02932616479001178766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11059473.post-19590695053531485742008-05-11T11:55:00.000-05:002008-05-11T11:55:00.000-05:00You stated my thoughts!I was in public school for ...You stated my thoughts!<BR/>I was in public school for 3 years, and I was totally bogged down. Extra-curriculars are good, yes, but not so good when you have no life besides school.<BR/>I certainly hope you will be sending this in! It is written so respectfully, yet the point is clear!<BR/>Thanks Franklin!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11059473.post-76404164331158043882008-05-10T00:08:00.000-05:002008-05-10T00:08:00.000-05:00I think you should definitely send in your letter ...I think you should definitely send in your letter to the local paper. It is written respectfully, but you also do a great job of challenging the status quo. I think that parents and school staff will read it and at least give things a second thought! It's just really encouraging to have someone put things I have been thinking and feeling for a long time, down on paper. <BR/><BR/>It is so saddening to me to see church and youth ministry activities literally become an afterthought to families. Church has become more "we'll fit it in around sports, homework, clubs, band, etc." rather than making building our relationships with the Lord a total priority...and allowing everything else to fall into place!!Celestehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18043103134674112305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11059473.post-14952667782459287542008-05-09T23:05:00.000-05:002008-05-09T23:05:00.000-05:00Thanks for the comments everyone! It's been intere...Thanks for the comments everyone! It's been interesting to see the reactions...<BR/>1. Karen - I have NOT sent this letter in...YET!<BR/>2. Welcome Brian, Jordan and Matt! Jordan, I could not track down your website. Could you share so I can visit?<BR/>3. Theresa - I think you at least understand my sentiment that kids are TOO BUSY! I appreciate you pointing out the points about extra-curriculars helping for college and parents. Here's what I think...<BR/>First of all, I understand that colleges are asking more of their students as they enroll. However, MOST of these kids will not go on to the professional level of football, or band, or debate. At least that's my impression. It just seems like they're giving a lot of time for a hobby. <BR/>Also, it is frustrating as a youth minister that SCHOOLS can make things "mandatory", but I cannot...and youth group activities are SO much more important in the long run! Does that make sense?<BR/>Secondly, I TOTALLY agree that there is responsibility with the parents! Unfortunately, Johnny comes home and says, "Coach told me that I can't miss any practices." And the parent does not question that statement.<BR/>Please don't feel like I'm mad at YOU. You are one of the FEW who has said they LIMIT their homework because they know kids are busy!<BR/>Thanks for your comments. Am I still off-base?Franklin Woodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14243783988114081394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11059473.post-81490237205566757802008-05-09T22:15:00.000-05:002008-05-09T22:15:00.000-05:00I'm torn on this one. I can't totally see where yo...I'm torn on this one. I can't totally see where you're coming from. Hannah already has homework or something for school regularly, and you don't want to know how much make-up work she gets when she misses for illness. I purposely give pretty minimal homework to my students, knowing other teachers may give lots and how involved my kids are in extra-curriculars.<BR/><BR/>However, 2 things prevent me from totally blaming the schools for emphasis on extracurriculars.<BR/><BR/>1. extracurricular activities benefit kids - they make them more competitive for college admission (grades are no longer enough), and they create a sense of belonging and positively correlate to successful completion of high school and college; a school that doesn't offer and encourage students to get involved is putting them at a disadvantage for college and other post graduate pursuits <BR/><BR/>2. parents are so often to blame in not putting the brakes on their kids' involvement/busyness; we fail to teach our kids limits and prioritizing and push them to live out our dreams (furthermore, I know so many kids who work full time jobs just for spending money to afford things their parents can't - maybe it's guilt that leads the parents to let them?). Also, most of the kids I know who AREN'T involved in extracurriculars are out partying and otherwise getting into trouble.<BR/><BR/>Just another perspective, for what it's worth.Theresa Michellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02932616479001178766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11059473.post-12513629355473481472008-05-09T17:26:00.000-05:002008-05-09T17:26:00.000-05:00I put a linky up as well. Some nice points you ma...I put a linky up as well. Some nice points you make.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11059473.post-76841227757660342882008-05-09T13:26:00.000-05:002008-05-09T13:26:00.000-05:00interesting stuff. I put a link on my site. -Jor...interesting stuff. I put a link on my site. <BR/><BR/>-JordanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11059473.post-77680151933803648402008-05-09T11:08:00.000-05:002008-05-09T11:08:00.000-05:00You took the words right out of my mouth! Excellen...You took the words right out of my mouth! Excellent.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10340051194193536329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11059473.post-21472280278278140352008-05-08T10:02:00.000-05:002008-05-08T10:02:00.000-05:00AMEN, brother!AMEN, brother!Danniellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10288500978914427427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11059473.post-22279344619161820952008-05-08T08:30:00.000-05:002008-05-08T08:30:00.000-05:00Please tell me you really did send this letter som...Please tell me you really did send this letter somewhere (preferably the letters page of the Omaha paper). You are so right!Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07584986826808083846noreply@blogger.com